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Post by - chaM - on May 20, 2008 8:08:12 GMT -5
What do you think if you just have people sign up like normal, and just tell them to play the game untill they hit frag limit . Without any rules, I'd like that shit. Avp2 at its finest . Just call some hooking, iceing penalties.
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Post by (5/10)b0B on May 20, 2008 11:44:18 GMT -5
no
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Post by [9th] KimblaZ on May 20, 2008 14:57:09 GMT -5
no
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Post by |D*R| Kaizen on May 20, 2008 16:06:07 GMT -5
Someone sticky it?!
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Post by - chaM - on May 20, 2008 16:24:02 GMT -5
hmm i likes the idea, so much easier, just play the game as it is. I just love avp2 ^^
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Post by [FSC] Hellspawn on May 20, 2008 17:20:10 GMT -5
yeh spawnkilling with rapid snipe and 8nades is fun.
oh wait thats ut just with unbalanced weapons and spawn points.
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Post by - chaM - on May 20, 2008 20:33:58 GMT -5
Spawn killing, lol very dumb term. AvP2 is an arena game. Also I believe there is a mod which I think is fair, that most servers run. It keeps you in a thing called spawn protection. The reason this is a good addition is some peoples pc's are slow as f*ck and will get spawn killed and not even realize it. This is bad, it lags them and server. So your talk about spawn killing is invalid.
Rapid snipe + Nades are fun I agree, as long as everyone can use them.
Oh shit, un balanced weapons, that is only true if you play, mixed class fights. I only play hvh, pulse vs pulse or hvh sniper vs sniper. That is the only true way to even out the game for the most fair game play as possible (without making custom maps with a lot more spawn points so it is harder to know where people will spawn. Also with even/level ground and exits/entrances to high and level grounds) if you want to talk about being fair.
Like I said, shit just let people play what they want without any rules and people will mold the league into what it should be over a couple seasons then you will be able to fine tweak the league with rules which will make sense after you see how it works and what most people play etc.
Logic owns.
Btw if you don't like the game, shouldn't play it right?
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Post by [R*E] GT on May 21, 2008 4:09:57 GMT -5
no. restrictions are not only here to balance the game, but to get rid of nub weapons. If you cant play anything else than smartgun or nade/disk spam, go play on no restricted servers (all weapons available) I know there are couple of them around and you can see the ratio of noobs playing on those servers is quite high = not fun regarding rules: im not sure if I understand those class restrictions
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Post by [FSC] Kaon on May 21, 2008 4:48:27 GMT -5
Logic owns was a very irrelevant part of your post, chaM.
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Post by - chaM - on May 21, 2008 7:29:14 GMT -5
The ratio of noobs playing is high yes, that is because not many people play the game. You should tell the noobs to come here because I would bet money that they do not know about this forum.
Also, can you list to me these "noob weapons"
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What do you not understand about sniper v sniper, pulse vs pulse? Same models, same guns, only thing that is variable x is spawn points and I really dont care about the spawning cycle.
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Post by [R*E] GT on May 22, 2008 3:47:06 GMT -5
Also, can you list to me these "noob weapons" 1.smartgun 2.(if used for spam) Disk, pred pistol, plasma, nade launcher
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Post by [FSC] Hellspawn on May 22, 2008 5:33:57 GMT -5
tell them to play the game untill they hit frag limit . Without any rules, I'd like that shit. Avp2 at its finest Spawn killing, lol very dumb term. AvP2 is an arena game. Also I believe there is a mod which I think is fair, that most servers run. It keeps you in a thing called spawn protection. The reason this is a good addition is some peoples pc's are slow as f*ck and will get spawn killed and not even realize it. This is bad, it lags them and server. So your talk about spawn killing is invalid. Oh shit, un balanced weapons, that is only true if you play, mixed class fights. I only play hvh, pulse vs pulse or hvh sniper vs sniper. That is the only true way to even out the game for the most fair game play as possible (without making custom maps with a lot more spawn points so it is harder to know where people will spawn. Also with even/level ground and exits/entrances to high and level grounds) if you want to talk about being fair. Like I said, shit just let people play what they want without any rules and people will mold the league into what it should be over a couple seasons then you will be able to fine tweak the league with rules which will make sense after you see how it works and what most people play etc. Logic owns. Btw if you don't like the game, shouldn't play it right? eh logic? you said without rules so why onyl hvh, why class restrictions why anti sk mod? btw whats the sesnse of playing A V P 2 with only hvh? i dont get it, i simple dont, the game got game of the year once for having aliens and preds and their mechanics not a crappy unrelaistic human crap with weapons beyond any realism, but if u re soooo good in hvh play cs. as for nub weapons, what takes more skill a pulse rifle without stag were u have to do exact headshots or a rocket launcher that auto hits? and that point is excactly why the game is dieing because of people like you that fail in following very simple logical balancing rules, rules that u have in any game out there i.e. you dont play rapid snipe in cs, you dont camp spawnpoints in ut, and espically in every game out there in the online world, exploits are always forbidden und u always get a ban for it, you should really try some more serious games were u simple get baned for any of this crap, btw you talk about skill? than play a game that really needs skill i.e. cs ut and starcraft. avp is only a fun game and it evolved to a team based game, thats how it survived all these years.
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Post by - chaM - on May 22, 2008 8:16:11 GMT -5
Lol @ hellspawn.. Just going to make it short and sweet because you are obviously on a different level when it comes to games. Question: btw whats the sesnse of playing A V P 2 with only hvh? Answer: The "sesnse" lol, of playing avp2 with only hvh is because we are talking about fair play if you dont understand it by now then you will never understand it which is pretty sad lol. Hvh is the only way to play avp2 that I know if you want less variables and more equal game play only problem that you can say with hvh would be maps and spawn points. You can not have a league with aliens, predators, and humans that would be fair without, new balanced "league maps." Statement: i simple dont, the game got game of the year once for having aliens and preds and their mechanics not a crappy unrelaistic human crap with weapons beyond any realism Answer: It recieved game of the year because it was a awsome arena game that came out so lots of pro quake players checked it out and thought it was a cool game. It was CPL for one year, reason being game was unbalanced and could not be played on professional level due to the unbalanced aspects of the game, hence why I only play hvh. Statement: but if u re soooo good in hvh play cs. Answer: you fail at life. Statement: as for nub weapons, what takes more skill a pulse rifle without stag were u have to do exact headshots or a rocket launcher that auto hits? Answer: Nub weapons dont exist in avp2 for me, If someone is using a weapon other than sniper or pulse then they wont get as many frags there for I do not worry about people using other weapons :]... Well since you asked, let me turn and make you answer teh question which is pretty obviouse, What do you think takes more skill. Keep in mind skill means " something that requires training and experience to do well, e.g. an art or trade. " Holding down fire (without exploit.) OR Staggering at different stagger rates (with exploit) Obviously one of those two ways of game play would take more to learn to play than the other . Statement:and that point is exactly why the game is dieing because of people like you that fail in following very simple logical balancing rules, rules that u have in any game out there i.e. you dont play rapid snipe in cs, you dont camp spawnpoints in ut, and espically in every game out there in the online world, exploits are always forbidden und u always get a ban for it, you should really try some more serious games were u simple get baned for any of this crap, Answer: Lol about the game dieng? I guess that is true dude but people like you make this game fun for me, need noobs to frag on a regular basis. Also you are dumb and no nothing about games becasue exploits are what sets the difference between professionals and noobs. You go look at any online game like you said on the highest skilled level and it comes down to who can use exploit in best situation vs other time. Small list: Halo2, Quake 3, Quake 4, Counter strike 1.6, Halo 1, Smash bros melee, smash bros brawl.. I think you get the idea. So it is not your fault hellspawn you just sad sadly miss informed. But I just trained you so that should not happen again.
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Post by royale on May 22, 2008 10:58:20 GMT -5
People get rid of the weapons they don't like, not because they're imbalanced. I really don't understand the explanation you people give of banning weapons cause they don't take skill to use.
There are methods of achieving wins in this game that aren't based on honor and skill. Sometimes spamming something or camping areas of maps is what helps provide a tactical advantage, not an imbalanced one. You need to stop bitching about guns that piss you off, and start finding ways to adapt your play against them.
One of the biggest goddamn exploits in this game - that noone talks about - is the controlling of spawn points. If you know where all possible spawns are on a map, you can force teams to spawn in certain spots, thus placing them in bottlenecks and dead ends. I'm sure some of the people on this forum have gotten upset before because they've had to spawn in one point five times in a row and can't do shit about it. I consider this a very abusable exploit, though not unfair, just annoying at times. But based on how you've banned most of your shit because it's annoying or unskillful, why not take a look at this? Try and regulate it during a match.
You're worrying more about rules and not playing the game.
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Post by [FSC] Hellspawn on May 22, 2008 17:32:29 GMT -5
cham grow up.
avp is the worst arena game out there which is the reason it was only played at one great cash game lan.
with the ban of certain weapons the classes become balanced. since drones cant fight 4pulse nades at once. so is it with meelee preds.
and that exploit thing is just lol, did u ever play in a cash tournament in any game? the last time i saw somone exploit at a lan were you could win something, i think it was quake, he was baned for life. and i remember a smashbrothers tournament were an exploiter got thrown 5 pads into his face. i wonder why wcg, esl, ed and so on have ultra ban on all exploits =o
besides i ve known a lot of exploiters in this game who ve all got beaten the crap out by good and fair players and guess what happend, most of those startet hacking.
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